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(incl. Anime News Nina!, ANNtv, ANNCast, Answerman, Astro Toy, Brain Diving, Buried Treasure, Chicks On Anime, Crashing Japan, The Dub Track, The Edit List, Epic Threads, From The Gallery, Hai Fidelity, House of 1000 Manga, Ima Kore Ga Hoshiin Da, Old School, Pile of Shame, RIGHT TURN ONLY!!, Shelf Life, Sound Decision, Sub Culture, Super Plastic, Tales Of The Industry, Tankobon Tower, The Click, The Gallery, The List, The Mike Toole Show, The Set List, The Stream, The X Button, This Week in Anime, Vice Luna)I felt pretty much the opposite; the more the show went on the less I wanted to see them hook up. I mean, have you ever seen one of those cheesy Hollywood romantic comedies where one of the targets simply just does not seem to ‘get it’ or just refuses to accept it or is such a complete jerk that they simply don’t deserve the affection they’re shown? Well, that’s pretty much sums up how I felt about the relationship portrayed in Koi Kaze. spoiler[The brother was a real jerk, maybe asshole is a better term, and this is even without the whole incestuous lolicon aspect being considered. In a nutshell, I didn’t think he was either capable of handling the relationship or worthy of receiving his sister’s affections. I also felt that the way he handled himself during the series was proof positive that something bad was bound to happen down the road. Having them get together only ensured that they would eventually face even tougher times ahead. My concern for the sister and pity toward the brother precluded me from rooting for a relationship that could potentially see them harming each other or committing suicide.]Richard J. wrote: Personally, Koi Kaze struck me as one of the strongest and most emotional series I’d ever seen. The idea of incest doesn’t bother me all that much, although I’m not exactly comfortable with it outside of a fictional setting. As long as it isn’t forced (in other words, rape) then I can’t really get that worked up. I don’t get it myself. I’m not attracted to my sister at all. However, I could understand how in real life someone could be attracted to their sibling, especially if they were in the same situation as the characters in Koi Kaze.I watched the series about about a year ago and it was really good. As to the issues of incest portrayed in the series it’s something to me that is definitely disturbing. However, at the same time I believe that a person should always follow their feelings and you can’t really help who you fall in love with whether it’s someone of the oposite or same sex so it’s not much of stretch to accept another type of relationship as well. I, as strait guy will do what I want with my life, and who am I to deny that to others or ridicule them for being different than I am?The odds are actually quite small for most things, I think I heard one time that your kid is about 10 percent on average more likely to inherit a genetic disease or flaw than if you had had kids with a stranger. Considering the risk is already relatively small (though large enough to be ever present in parents minds), that increase really isn’t that bad. It can basically be ignored in most cases; however, if you have a seriously dangerous genetic disease that is present in several of your immediate family members, then there are good odds that both you and your sibling inherited the recessive gene and having kids would put your kids at serious risk for the disease. To put it simply, and even if my number is off by a little the point is still valid, the biggest problems with incest are how the people feel about it personally, and if it happens repeatedly over generations.How does acting upon incestuous desires not “destroy someone’s life, innocence, sense of security, etc?” I mean, a brother and sister of a similar age is one thing but when their ages are vastly different or when you’re talking about a parent and child you’re talking about an inherent betrayal of trust.This would have to be reviewed on a case by case basis. I should have made myself clearer. Speaking strictly in terms of the scenario in Koi Kaze, I wouldn’t want to cast someone out of society just for this. Depending on the age factors, it’s possible to accept a parent/child situation, though typically such situations are clearly not even remotely right.At the beginning of the show, before anything had happened between them, the brother was merely coasting through life. He didn’t appear to be any more miserable than anyone else who had just broken up. Fact of life. We’ve all been dumped (well, most of us), and you simply learn to move on. There’s nothing unusual about that. So he ‘moves on’ by taking a complete stranger on a funny sort of impromptu ‘date’. Only, she’s a little girl so the ‘date’ means different things to them based on their vastly different perspectives.Even so, this seems to be okay with him and he appears to be able to express himself around her in ways he normally can’t. You get the feeling that he’s perfectly okay with robbing the cradle except, of course, that this just happens to be some sort of animated Twilight Zone and he’s unknowingly robbing his forgotten sister’s cradle. In other words, the guy’s already a little sick in the head. He doesn’t seem to enjoy the company of women his own age but little girls apparently bring out his softer side. The one and only thing he can’t seem stomach (at first) is the fact that it’s his sister. If it weren’t for that, he’d probably have been plenty happy to have somebody else’s little kid sister in his arms.Now, the sister was already very happy and excited just to finally be around the brother she had a crush on when she first arrives. If he had even just been a regular big brother to her she would have probably been ecstatic. If only he had kindly let her know that he was unwilling to let it go any farther than just a simple crush and gave her some space without being a jerk about it, she would have probably been able to find another boy her age to get all crazy over. It’s not like the brother was the only male in her life after all, and it wasn’t until he started treating her like shit and making a fuss about her being around other boys before she became miserable. The fact that she was willing to stick around and take such abuse without losing faith in her sick, abusive brother doesn’t bode well for her own mental state either.In the end, even though the story was really engrossing and even though it gave me more to think about than most series do, I still do not agree that the end justified the means. This relationship is still potentially troubled on so many levels. Age difference, family relation, verbal and physical abuse, pseudo masochism, and an unnatural level of secrecy just to name a few. The idea that the end was intended to represent some sort of ‘happily ever after’ is incredibly nave in my opinion. The sister could have been happy without taking her crush to it’s ultimate possible conclusion, just like any other girl. The idea that here brother was the only possible man for her just doesn’t match what I believe or what I saw on the screen.I think that anime has the ability to present believable accounts of subjects and topics that live action just couldn’t pull off, and this series is an example of that.I saw the series as exploring lonliness and rejection, and what would you do to keep a love you had found.I didn’t think the brother was a jerk at all, but that he was definitely depressed, and depression can make you desperate to find a love to lessen the pain (as well as irritable). I think that the sister was a classic rebound relationship, and I share daxomni’s feeling that it wouldn’t have lasted.As for the sister, I never could really figure out why she fell for him so much, though the link to the ANN trivia posted in Bamboo’s thread might explain some of it. The center of the story was the brother, though, so I guess it’s understandable if the sister turned out to be a little 2 D (no pun intended).I sympathized with both characters, but unlike Cloe I felt that this was the type of relationship which would ultimately cause both of them a lot of pain, regardless of whether or not they were siblings, so I wasn’t rooting for them to stay together.Quote: At the beginning of the show, before anything had happened between them, the brother was merely coasting through life. He didn’t appear to be any more miserable than anyone else who had just broken up. Fact of life. We’ve all been dumped (well, most of us), and you simply learn to move on. There’s nothing unusual about that. So he ‘moves on’ by taking a complete stranger on a funny sort of impromptu ‘date’. Only, she’s a little girl so the ‘date’ means different things to them based on their vastly different perspectives.Quote: Even so, this seems to be okay with him and he appears to be able to express himself around her in ways he normally can’t. You get the feeling that he’s perfectly okay with robbing the cradle except, of course, that this just happens to be some sort of animated Twilight Zone and he’s unknowingly robbing his forgotten sister’s cradle. In other words, the guy’s already a little sick in the head. He doesn’t seem to enjoy the company of women his own age but little girls apparently bring out his softer side. The one and only thing he can’t seem stomach (at first) is the fact that it’s his sister. If it weren’t for that, he’d probably have been plenty happy to have somebody else’s little kid sister in his arms.Quote: Now, the sister was already very happy and excited just to finally be around the brother she had a crush on when she first arrives. If he had even just been a regular big brother to her she would have probably been ecstatic. If only he had kindly let her know that he was unwilling to let it go any farther than just a simple crush and gave her some space without being a jerk about it, she would have probably been able to find another boy her age to get all crazy over. It’s not like the brother was the only male in her life after all, and it wasn’t until he started treating her like shit and making a fuss about her being around other boys before she became miserable. The fact that she was willing to stick around and take such abuse without losing faith in her sick, abusive brother doesn’t bode well for her own mental state either.How the hell is he abusive?? He tried being nice and she got more atached, then he tried being a jerk and it just her her feelings wich in turn hurt him. Even when he comes to some sort of typical brother role near the end of the show a person cannot just magically turn off feelings for someone, sorry, doen’t work that way. Also, while she liked him as a brother its pretty clear there was abit more to it, not infatuation, but her interest in other boys just wasn’t quite there and it was obvious a plain sibling relationship felt incomplete.Quote: In the end, even though the story was really engrossing and even though it gave me more to think about than most series do, I still do not agree that the end justified the means. This relationship is still potentially troubled on so many levels. Age difference, family relation, verbal and physical abuse,
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